Feature Wish List

[Gandalf]

Post your wishes/desires here as and when you think of them, and I will try respond with feasibility & try to incorporate them.

So far we have...

- same match can be attributed to multiple leagues, ie so we have an overall league without submitting the same match multiple times (yes, very easy)
- elfy/bashy table being produced, where you get points for passes, dodges, KO's, injuries etc (yes, fairly easy, bit more involved)

[Gandalf]

When you look at the results of your team in BBM, sometimes your team name appears on the left, and sometimes on the right.

In BBDB if you are looking at the results of a certain team, it should display that team on the left all the time, so you can easily see how they have done.

[notjarvis]

A better way of Deciding Turns/Ordering.
i.e.
Be nice to have a log which gave more info than BBM, so it's easy totell which turn each action is on.

A corollary of this would be it would be nice to Be able to evaluate the Dice/action in each turn separately, i.e. so you could look at the Dice Probability in a specific Turn or subset of turns to see how your luck ebbs and flows in a game..

[DaigaroOgami]

'Dalf said to put this here:

Percy has a question for thee 'Dalf....

How many matches have been won (in RTBBL history) by the coach who has had the worst dice in a match? (Basically implying that if you get the good dice, you win)

And so, which coach has had the worst Nuffle-bumming and has still managed to win? Is this easy to find out without going through each match in BBM?

This type of 'feature' could be something to add into you're new uploader thingy - the ability to look at match stats collectively - we could work out who is really is Nuffle's favourite son...

[Gandalf]

A better way of Deciding Turns/Ordering.
i.e.
Be nice to have a log which gave more info than BBM, so it's easy totell which turn each action is on.

A corollary of this would be it would be nice to Be able to evaluate the Dice/action in each turn separately, i.e. so you could look at the Dice Probability in a specific Turn or subset of turns to see how your luck ebbs and flows in a game..

If I'm reading this right, you're asking for the turn number to be added to the log in BBM? Should be easy enough to do... once I've created a log in the first place. This is such a simple & good idea.

In terms of drawing conclusions from the data, probability over a match usually (but not always!) beats action/turn-by-turn probabilities... but I can see that it's nice to see how lucky/unlucky you were on a certain turn.

To work out overall probabilities I'll have to analyse each dice roll anyway... so I may was well expose that information. Which leads into...

How many matches have been won (in RTBBL history) by the coach who has had the worst dice in a match? (Basically implying that if you get the good dice, you win)

And so, which coach has had the worst Nuffle-bumming and has still managed to win? Is this easy to find out without going through each match in BBM?

Yes... but not for a while. This is because we need to figure out how to quantify how lucky or otherwise you were in a game. I have issues with the "chance" score given in BBM, there are some things it doesn't model very well. For example if you have AG4 sure hands, try to pick the ball up 5 times during a match and always succeed the second time, rolling 1 the first time and 2 the second time... BBM will say you failed 5 pickups and succeeded 5 times, but really you passed 5 out of 5. Also you can't just analyse the dice rolls alone - the fact that you rolled 5 1's in 10 dice rolls had no overall impact on you.

I have my own ideas on a better implementation but I will start a thread about it & gather opinions closer to the time.

[DaigaroOgami]

I know there would be a TONNE of things that would need to be taken into account to get EXACT luck for specific teams at specific times for specific actions, and I agree that BBM doesn't even try to take these into account; but I'd say that the dude who made BBM found it very hard to take all of those specifics into account, and so just did most simple thing that at represents some element of the dice.

I was just interested to see so far (and so if the work was going in to historical data make a way that future data can be analysed too) if it's true or not that in RTBBL matches the person with the more favourable dice is the victor or not.

[lawastooshort]

Also you can't just analyse the dice rolls alone - the fact that you rolled 5 1's in 10 dice rolls had no overall impact on you.

No, it had no overall impact, but it's still part of your overall serving of luck.

Anyway this is for another time, sorry.

[Raveen]

Star Player Stats - As I'm likely to have Deeproot as a semi-permanent fixture on my team in Season 7 the following occured to me - Does BBM track the accumulated stats of Star Players and if it does, does it do it for each team or generally?

Either way, star players contributions should be tracked as part of the general statistical wizardry.

[Gandalf]

Ooh I like this. Should be doable yes. I have just been thinking about the technicalities of tracking player's matches... I had considered injured players but not star players, both of which need some special treatment.

The way I've been thinking about it, the "players" page will have 4 filters.... "include active" "include dead" "include retired" and now "include star players". I think we can safely assume that star players never die, even if they somehow do in-game. Similarly I will have to make sure to ignore their injury status in the wider sense, whilst still logging the fact they got injured in a certain game.

"Retired" is not something BBM tracks - it's not something that is logged in the files, but can easily be inferred by the fact that they were in game A but not in game B, so that will be a new feature. If you're wondering if that logic is going to pick up injured players too, don't worry I've thought of that

[lawastooshort]

Ooh, how about this - I just searched out the complete UKBBL match stats. Of course, they have the Block dice totals, i.e. what block dice you rolled. But there is also the "best Block dice rolled in a Block" totals!

So maybe you rolled 20 skulls out of 40 dice - if all of them were 2d blocks and each time you also rolled a POW, who cares?

On a related note, I'd like a compilation score of ALL the luck - d6, 2d6, Block/

[Gandalf]

Better block dice analysis is absolutely on the cards and is probably the thing I like least about BBM's stats presentation.

I *think* I can incorporate the relevant skills too. So... I think of every block as being a win/lose/draw, meaning player knocked over/turnover/anything else (ie push or wrestled) and I can put the odds on each of those happening given the dice and the skills.

That's the dream, anyway.

[Gandalf]

Here's another one.

It's all very nice being able to see how all the Underworld goblins have done... but how about all goblins across all races? Same goes for other players who have the same/almost the same characters on multiple teams... like Treemen, ghouls, ogres... even Elven linemen. So I'm creating a player "super-type" to enable this comparison. eg player type = Underworld Goblin, player super-type = Goblin.

Any more suggestions welcome...

[Raveen]

You could go for a step further and compare all blitzers, throwers etc

[Gandalf]

Hmmm sure why not, as long as they don't fit into any other category. I don't think any will though. Not sure this will happen super-soon but it shouldn't be too much work to do the front end, mostly copy & paste the player-type page.

[Raveen]

For the Match Report page could you create TV style images for the stats such as Possession Percentage?

Here's a quick Excel mock up:

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